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1 lostlakehiker  Sep 13, 2011 3:21:41pm

Kurdistan has been a warlike and independent minded place for a long time.

The Persian epic poem Shahnameh is unflattering to the Kurds, with dark mutterings about robbers. But it does grant that they fight well.

Xenophon’s “Annabasis”, perhaps the first real history ever written, records that the Greeks [the ones retreating from Persia after the side that hired them lost a bid to overthrow the Emperor and replace him with the brother Cyrus] had to fight their way through the passes in the land of the Carduccians. This, of course, was just another version of the same root word, Kurds.

Today, “Kurdistan” is split up amongst Turkey, Iraq, and Iran, with perhaps some small change lapping over into other nation states. But there doesn’t seem to be any obvious answer. Nobody’s going to try to force Turkey, Iraq, and Iran to cough up large districts and hand them over to a new-minted nation state called Kurdistan. The people are intermingled and cannot easily be disentangled, for one thing. Policies of ethnic cleansing, with a view to separating the Greeks from the Turks (after WW1), the Germans from the Poles from the Czechs (1945, right after WW2), and so on as has played out in the partition of British India and of British Mandate Palestine, (in the vicinity of 1948) have had mixed results, to put it gently. Not all bad, but hardly something to be done again for light and passing reasons.

The current arrangements in Iraq, in which the Kurds enjoy a measure of local autonomy, seem to be tolerably not-so-bad. Maybe Turkey could acquiesce in the gradual evolution of something similar on their own turf. Then again, the Turks are another tough and warlike people and maybe they won’t consent to any diminution of their unfettered sway over all land inside their boundaries. Sigh.

2 Bob Levin  Sep 13, 2011 4:18:55pm

re: #1 lostlakehiker

Today, “Kurdistan” is split up amongst Turkey, Iraq, and Iran, with perhaps some small change lapping over into other nation states. But there doesn’t seem to be any obvious answer.

The question we’re looking at is what distinguishes a nationalist movement from a terrorist organization. I’m using the Kurds as a case study in response to a comment the other day that referred to the PKK as a terrorist organization.

I think we’re on the way to an answer.

3 feartrich  Sep 13, 2011 4:26:20pm
Are these guerilla forces the PKK?

probably PUK and PDK forces


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